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Have you ever wondered why your best employees leave? It's not always about the job itself.

Fear of losing talent often drives managers to focus on the wrong things. This week’s guest helps us understand why people leave their jobs and what managers can do to retain their top performers.

Meet Michael Horn. Michael is the co-author of Job Moves: Nine Steps for Making Progress in Your Career. He strives to create a world where individuals can build their passions, fulfill their potential, and live a life of purpose. He's the author of several other books, including the award-winning Disrupting Class, Choosing College, Blended, and From Reopen to Reinvent. He is the co-founder of and distinguished fellow at the Clayton Christensen Institute, a non-profit think tank, and teaches at the Harvard Graduate School of Education. He also co-hosts a top higher education podcast, writes the popular Substack newsletter, The Future of Education, and is a regular contributor to Forbes.com.

Today, Michael reveals the key reasons why people leave their jobs, going beyond the common "bad boss" narrative, and shares actionable advice to help managers create a more engaging and fulfilling work environment.

✨In the extended episode available to members of Podcast+, Michael shared tips on taking control of your situation, how to work with HR for extra support, and the magic of the cheat sheet.

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Conversation Topics

• (0:00) Introduction

• (1:44) The Real Reasons People Leave

• (3:37) Push and Pull Factors

• (6:22) Four Macro Reasons People Quit

• (8:31) How Managers Can Respond

• (10:43) Spotting Warning Signs

• (14:05) Team-Wide Retention Approach

• (17:50) When to Let Someone Go

• (21:08) Should Managers Share Their Goals?

• (25:14) Impact of Great Management

• (26:14) Keep Up With Michael

• (27:28) [Extended Episode Only] Taking Control of Your Career

• (32:12) [Extended Episode Only] HR’s Role in Retention

• (35:02) [Extended Episode Only]   Making Work More Fulfilling

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Keep up with Michael Horn

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- Get your copy of Job Moves here.

Guest Bonus: 5 Free Signed Copies of Job Moves

Michael is giving away five copies of his book Job Moves: 9 Steps for Making Progress In Your Career, to members of Podcast+. Full of useful activities and tools, Job Moves offers the timeless framework of our generation to help anyone create a career that will be happier and more fulfilling.

Enter the drawing by February 28th. 

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